there's a process going forward, i think it's moving quickly, i mean, the attorney general got out his letter putting forward the principle conclusions very quickly, he said you will have it by the 15th or sooner. that's why i find it ironic that people are talking about subpoenas already for the document when we're probably less than a week away or about a week away from getting them. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." it has now been 14 days since attorney general william barr released his four-page letter giving his interpretation of special counsel robert mueller's nearly 400-page report on his investigation into donald trump. two weeks and still neither you nor i have seen a single page of the mueller report. and yet donald trump's lawyers are out on tv this morning trying to spin barr's interpretation in trump's favor. arguing that the president has been completely exonerated, but even trump doesn't seem to be buying it. he spent yesterday on twitter

rage tweeting about the investigation and about the democrats who were exercising their constitutional oversight powers to get the full report that you, the american people, paid for. moments ago house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff vowed that democrats will not be deterred from exercising their oversight powers. >> that is certainly the president's attitude, it's not the job of congress to do oversight, period, and indeed under the gop congress they did no oversight, but it's our responsibility to root out fraud, corruption, waste, abuse, whether it rises to the level of criminality or not. >> joining me now is medi has sam, natasha bertron, dana which willbank and naveed jamali. thank you all for being here. medi, let's start with jay sekulow, he was on abc this morning and was asked if he's worried that the report itself

might be more damaging than the barr memo indicates. take a listen. >> in general barr's letter he said i'm only going to discuss the principal conclusions and what were those principal collusion -- conclusions? no obstruction, no collusion. they probably had legitimate disagreements inside the department of justice on how things should move forward one way or the other and the fact is that obstruction by tweet which was one of the theories being advocated here, i never took as a basis for obstruction, and, by the way, neither did the special counsel evidently because their report says they are not making that conclusion and they said difficult questions of law, in fact, and when you have difficult questions of law in fact do you know what you don't do? you don't recommend prosecution. >> should that be enough for the american people? >> of course not. it shouldn't be enough for the american people. it's just a lie when he says the report says that. the whole point as you mentioned and i was on your show a couple weeks ago when we were discussing all this, we still haven't seen the report, congress hasn't seen the report,

the president of the united states says he hasn't seen the report that apparently is a total and complete exoneration. isn't it weird that for two weeks we've been told this report exonerates the president, it's time to move on, yet you can't see the report. that is a weird, weird position for any politician to take. if i've been accused for years in a false witch-hunt hoax, you know, fake dossier investigation for two years and then i get a report that says i'm cleared, the thing i'm going to want to do most is release that report. the fact that i don't want to release that report fits in with everything else we've seen over the last few years is that they lie and lie and cover up and never explain why they're lying and covering up if there's nothing to cover up or lie about. >> the challenge is that the democrats who are demanding to see this report are already quite dubious about whether or not the barr memo corresponds precisely with what's in the mueller report. yesterday i spoke with jim

clyburn, the house majority whip and he expressed quite a bit of skepticism about whether the mueller report matching what william barr puts out. >> do you suspect that he's withholding damaging information that's in the mueller report in order to protect donald trump? >> that's my suspicion. >> in your reporting how far are the democrats prepared to go to ensure that the american people ultimately get to see the full report, all of what was concluded by robert mueller's team? >> very far, joy. i think that this is a fight that they are willing to take right to the end, they want the grand jury material, they want the classified information, they want everything and that's so that they can ultimately put something out to the american public, whether it is a redacted version of the mueller report which will have to be redacted in some ways because of classified information, of course, or is a summary prepared by congress that can be used for public consumption. they want these findings and ultimately the meat of thas, bu i think, you know, if we're to

believe the "washington post," "the new york times," nbc news, all these reports that have been put out in the last week about the displeasure that's being felt by mueller's team over how barr characterized this report then i think it would be fair to call this a cover up. i mean, the fact that mueller's team has been silent for two years and now they're speaking to associates who are then speaking to reporters about how they believe that barr really mischaracterized the fundamental findings of their two-year investigation, then that is something that should really concern everyone because barr was -- remember, he was put in this position after he wrote a lengthy memo outlining his belief that the president did not obstruct justice, that the obstruction of justice probe was fatally miss conceived, he interviewed to be the president's personal attorney in the russian investigation. this is someone who is deeply conflicted and he is not alone. rod rosenstein the deputy attorney general is very c conflicted as well and he had a role to play in also exxon

rating the president of obstruction. he helped write the underlying memo that was used by donald trump to fire jim comey making him a witness in the obstruction probe. you have so many conflicts of interest here that fundamentally, you know, really compromise their ability to put something out into the public that the american people can actually hold on to and believe in. >> and dana, typically with this administration you don't really have to guess what they think because donald trump just tells you what they think. he just emotes whatever it is that he's concerned about. if he was confident in the mueller report then why is he lashing out? if he's confident that he was exonerated about it why do we have this reporting. trump lashes out at mueller report as release of report approaching. as william barr's self-imposed deadly to submit a kooep of mueller report to capitol hill approaches, trump's could have dense in his exoneration of him waned. he wouldn't be bringing this up

still if everything was hunky-dory. meanwhile, other reporting, "new york times," congress waits as bill barr blacks out part of the mueller report, quote, since mr. mueller submitted a nearly 400-page report on his investigation two weeks ago mr. barr, his aids and other law enforcement officials have been reviewing it to determine what portion to provide to lawmakers and the public and what to black out. so the man who went in saying he didn't believe the mueller report that the mueller investigation was legit is busy blacking things out while the president is busy railing and clearly not thinking the report exonerates him. >> right. you can clearly see it change in the trajectory of the trump tweeting on this to claiming exoneration now just moments ago going back to the 13 angry democrats, they're leaking information. so it's clearly under his skin, i was amused by the jay skek low clip, instead of principals conclusions he says principal collusions, there's something freudian going on in his mind as

well. i think what happened here was clearly there was an effort to get out in front of this and barr clearly assisted in this with this sort of an a dine summary here. it may not have been inaccurate, it just wasn't the whole story. often when you have the first bite at something like this, you can change the impression in the public's mind and fix it in place, but guess what, that didn't happen here because people already had a fixed impression of the way donald trump and his administration behaves so they are not inclined to believe that he was totally exonerated in the first place, and now they are in a position where this is going to come out, it's unclear how and whether it's in dribs and drabs. we have give barr the benefit of the doubt and he gets another week, but if it comes back with all kinds of blacked out pages and all this grand jury and other information missing, then it's just going to be a long and protracted fight until it is produced. >> and i think the val length with a lot of people with the idea of giving william barr the

benefit of the doubt is the fact that he did do this addition to get the job in which he was pretty clear that he didn't really believe in the investigation to begin with or that a president could quit obstruction of justice at all and he concludes price sighsly that. i think adam schiff has been clear and precise in the way he has discussed this investigation. here he is on cnn this morning. >> i don't regret calling out this president for what i consider deeply unethical and improper conduct. not a bit. i think the moment that we start to think that we should back away from exposing this kind of malfeasance and corruption is a dangerous point. >> you briefed members of congress, naveed, in the past on things of that nature and things precisely related to this. is the only way that democrats -- "politico" is asking does congress have to impeach donald trump to find out what actually happened? if they can't get the information by getting the

mueller report, is it an impeachment proceeding left to them as the only way that the public can get an accounting? because the public still needs an accounting here. >> gosh, i hope not. that's not the way this is supposed to work. i was lucky enough to talk to adam schiff, we had a protected conversation about what i consider the threat of russia. if i were to brief donald trump today i would break it down, mr. president, you should be as scared of the russians as wind mills. this is a pervasive ongoing threat. we talk about collusion, corruption, the reality is the russians had an intent independent of donald trump. i think it's important that americans writ large understand what the russian intention was. what did they do? what assets did they use? were they successful? if they were successful why were they successful? look, even though i might be a democrat, i believe very strongly that the fbi had a duty to protect donald trump as a candidate, the republican candidate, from contact by russians, by agents from foreign intelligence services. were they able to do that?

if they weren't, why not? these are all questions that independent of collusion, independent of all these charges of conspiracy, of criminality, the other part of this is do our institutions counterintelligence work and if they don't, why not? this is something most americans don't see, but they have to have faith in the institutions that we're able to do this and that's why the report has to come out. the american public don't just have a duty to understand what happened with the president but they also have a duty to understand what happened with counterintelligence. is the national security of this country safe? do our institutions of democracy are they resilient enough to stand the attack of sort of what we saw in 2016 and can we protect them going forward? >> do you think that that's what's in the mueller report, those answers, quickly? >> i think that's a large part of it. answering those questions does not necessarily mean that donald trump is guilty of a cripple crime. it means that the russians were intent on making contact with him, perhaps even recruiting him. these do not rise to criminality but it is something i'm sure bob mueller looked at. >> i want to know the answers to those questions.

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and jason greenblatt and david friedman and all of the people they work with. and a big thing for me and some of you won't like this maybe, but i would love to see peace in the middle east. i would love to see peace in the middle east. if those three can't do it you will never have it done. with me as president, with them doing the deal, you will never have it done. so let's see if we can do t who knows. >> who knows. for more than two years we've been hearing that jared kushner is going to come up with a plan for peace in the middle east and now, who knows. as donald trump was making those comments before the republican jewish coalition in las vegas yesterday israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu was making his final pitch to voters ahead of elections this tuesday saying that he will begin annexing the west bank if he wins. let's bring back medi hassan and bill neely. bill, how is that idea playing, the idea of prime minister

benjamin netanyahu saying if he's reelected he will begin annexing the west bank? >> reporter: well, benjamin netanyahu often pulls out a surprise just 48 hours before voters go to the polls and he's done it again with this. needless to say it's not gone down well among the palestinians. what he was suggesting was not annexing the whole of the west bank, which would be an absolutely extraordinary move, but suggesting that the jewish settlements in a strip of the west bank representing about a tenth of the west bank, about 400,000 jewish settlers that that strip would be annexed or might be annexed if he is reelected as israel's prime minister. i mean, it is seen a little bit as netanyahu pressing the panic button because he is in a neck and neck very close race with a man he used to give orders to, benny gantz the former israeli

chief of staff who is heading this new blue and white party and really giving netanyahu a run for his money. so netanyahu, again, at the last minute pulls out something like this, but, as i said, among the palestinians it's not gone down well and the palestinian foreign minister basically saying if this should happen be prepared for trouble. >> bill, just to stay with you for one moment. pete buttigieg the candidate for president has been quite critical of netanyahu, a tweet yesterday this provocation is harmless to israel, palestinian and american interests. this calls for a president willing to counsel our ally against abandoning a two-state solution. there's that information that netanyahu wants to begin annexation, but you've also had this recognition by donald trump of the golan heights of being part of the israel proper. i wonder if there is a sense among the israeli public that a

two-state solution is dead because donald trump says one is coming. >> reporter: yeah, i mean, the two-state solution which, of course, a decade ago was on everybody's lips is very much on the back burner. indeed i was speaking to deputy minister in netanyahu's office this morning who basically said that the two-state solution is dead. obviously from the palestinian point of view the danger of talking about annexing even part of the west bank is that it extinguishes their hope of national statehood. i mean, the west bank has always been absolutely core to that and if you take away the jewish settlements, you add the roads, you an ex the area around it, you know, you are left with a disconnected palestinian state. it's disconnected already because gaza and the west bank are two very different entities and they're not linked. so the real danger is -- and, you know, here for years and

years they've been speaking about the danger of a third palestinian inter fada or uprising. the danger is that if you were to an ex part of the west bank, even a part of the west bank that it has been assumed in washington and in jerusalem might be part of israel in any negotiated settlement, if you do that, the danger is that you are sparking a fire and that indeed is what one national security analyst said to me yesterday. he said, you know, war is just a short step away and this is exactly the kind of thing that could start -- if not a war, certainly a conflict. >> let me bring you in here, am. edi, i want to bring you a part of the interview that christiane amanpour did with israel's ambassador to the united nations about whether or not this mystical peace plan that donald trump keeps saying to put forwa coming. take a listen. >> when do you think this peace

plan will be delivered? you must have been talking to mr. kushner and the administration. >> we know that the plan is completed, that they worked a lot on this plan, intensive visits to the region by mr. kushner, mr. greenblatt and we believe that after the elections they will make it public. we will see the content of the plan. we haven't seen the plan. >> one of the challenges has been whether or not the united states is in a position to be the one offering a peace plan if the united states is putting down so firmly on one side of a negotiation and donald trump has done that even more so with the golan heights, et cetera. what do you make of this idea that jared kushner will be the one to deliver a peace plan to the middle east? >> joy, my six-year-old has more chance of delivering a peace plan to the middle east than jared kushner has. kushner is -- joy, if you and i had to come up with the worst person possible to negotiate a peace deal between israel and the palestinians we would be at

a hard time finding someone. he has no knowledge of that part of the world, but it's also the fact that he's a walking conflict of interest not just financially, he gets millions of dollars of investment from israeli companies, one of israel's big insurance companies giving him millions of dollars, but he's personally conflicted. he and his family invested in illegal settlements on the west bank, the ones that bill was mentioning, yet he's supposed to be a peace broker. his family are close friends with the netanyahu's. benjamin netanyahu slept in his bed when he was a kid in new jersey. he was staying over at the kushner household. this is the guy who the palestinians are supposed to take seriously on behalf of administration which has already cut aid to palestinian refugees which has expelled palestinian diplomats from washington, d.c., which moved the u.s. embassy to jerusalem and which, as you mentioned, joy, has recognized the annexation of the golan heights which even ronald reagan refused to do. >> the other challenges here is

that donald trump as the person putting himself forward as the pig advocate for the jewish people, there are some interesting sound bites that i want to play for you from his recent speech before the republican jewish coalition. the first one i want to play makes me wonder whether he knew what audience he was talking to and what country they were from. this is donald trump talking about benjamin netanyahu yesterday. >> i stood with prime minister netanyahu. benjamin netanyahu. how is the race going, by the way? how is it? who is going to win the race, tell me. i don't know. well, it's going to be close. i think it's going to be close. two good people. two good people. but i stood with your prime minister at the white house to recognize israeli sovereignty over the golan heights. >> i'm going to get both of you

in on this. bill neely, it sounded like he thought the republican jewish coalition are israeli, not american. >> reporter: yes, i suppose the only surprise is that he didn't say benjamin netanyahu my prime minister, so close is the bond between the two of them. you know, at every opportunity donald trump emphasizes really that he would like to see netanyahu as the next prime minister. just to add to what medi was saying about the so-called deal of the century and i should have said this before, it is known here as the dead on arrival deal. >> yeah. >> reporter: so there is not really much hope that there is going to be progress once that deal is presented. >> very quickly i want to let you comment on that, but also donald trump mocked omar who is the freshman congresswoman who face add death threat, there was a man arrested for threatening to kill her. here is donald trump talking about omar. i will let you comment on both of those two sound bites on the other side.

>> special thanks to representative omar of minnesota. oh. oh. oh, i forgot, she doesn't like israel. i forgot. i'm so sorry. oh. no, she doesn't like israel, does she? please, i apologize. >> your witness. >> some of us have been warning for a while now that the rhetoric against omar especially from the republican party is inciting death threats against her. just on friday a guy was arrested who claims to be a trump fan for trying to kill her allegedly. the next day the president of the united states rather than condemn that person who claims to be a fan of his, is inciting even more hate and even more animosity towards omar. it's reprehensible, irresponsible, shameless, but what else do you expect from this president? just on the line you played earlier about your prime minister, this isn't the first time he has said it.

in december at the white house for a gathering of american jews he referred to israel as your country, now he says your prime minister. omar we are told was being attacked for talking about dual loyalty among american jews. something she never said. here you have the president talking repeatedly about american jews having a lighty to an israeli prime minister and israel which is not their country. are we going to see the same outrage from mitch mcconnell and fox news? >> we shall see. let's wait and sigh. >> no is the answer. >> i think we know the answer to that. thank you very much. bill neely, thank you very much. we appreciate both of your time this morning. coming up, the record number of women running for president, we know that's happening, but somehow it's all about the boys. . it's probably gonna be dinner and drinks. discover. hi, what's this social security alert?

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gone on and we lost pat summitt, how seriously do you take being that voice? >> did you know that the equal rights amendment was introduced in 1967 and it still hasn't passed? we need 38 states to agree that discrimination on the basis of sex is unconstitutional. we've had a record number of women running for office and winning and still we have 23% of the house and 25% of the senate. i'm getting tired of the novelty of the first american -- the first female governor of this state, the first female african-american mayor of this city. when is it going to become the norm instead of the exception? how are these young women looking up and seeing someone that looks like them, preparing them for the future? we don't have enough female role models, we don't have enough visible women leaders, we don't

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be the whole thing sewn up. with a record number number of women running for president why are all the men getting the attention? thank you all for being here. i'm going to start at the table with you, jason, because from the "vanity fair" glossy cover of beto to all of the other candidates mocking him for jumping on tables and all do it, too, the fixation of the media, let me read a piece of this "washington post" article, the rise of senator bernie sanders, beto o'rourke and joe biden in a field of historic diversity has caused dismay among some democrats, particularly african-americans and women looking for a mold breaking nominee. i think that sums it up. >> it's beto, biden and buttigieg. everybody has beenist canning his butt, too. it's because, let's be candid, most of the reporters are white and they're looking for a white guy who makes them feel good about themselves.

bernie and biden it makes sense. beto who didn't win anything. buttigieg, look, basically he has a rhodes coal aftership, he is just a white gay version of cory booker. at least booker is in the senate. this reflects the lack of diversity in the media. these guys are not the most dynamic or interesting candidates. >> part of it i think is polling. i'm jumping around a little bit. if you look at the polling, who is on top, it is the white guys. if you go to the real clear politics average for the last week of march, biden is on top. he has the highest name recognition. bernie sanders is second place. very consistently. then you have kamala harris consistent in third followed by beto and warren and that top five has been fairly consistent. zoom it out you have buttigieg in there. you go by the money, sanders did raise the most money. right?

he raised $18 million. granted, he ran for president he was like second place running a national ticket, you know, and then you had the other guys like beto and buttigieg get actually more ink for the money that they raised than kamala harris who is in second place. yesterday we had andrew yang on who has raised this money. is this driven by the polling and the fundraising or by something else in your view? >> i mean, i do think it's a self-reinforcing prophecy in the sense of this, i think democrats are so anxious to win and to beat donald trump that they look at polls and they look at the money and then it reinforces the front runners are front runners. ultimately i think it is very early, ultimately i do think that it is hard to be the nominee of the democratic party and not be able to put forward a broad coalition of voters. so our last two nominees,

hillary clinton and barack obama were able to put together a broad collision of voters, a diverse coalition of both african-american, latino and white voters. i do think actually a lot of voters, liberals, and even white liberals, are sensitive to the fact that when a candidate goes into south carolina and cannot get any people of color to come to that event, it is something to be mindful of. we are very early. i do worry the media attention reinforces the money race and that's self-reinforcing in a sense, creates a weird feedback loop, but ultimately i do think it will be hard to emerge from this process and not have a variety of voters from very different backgrounds supporting the nominee. >> qualmy you took this to the limit, the title of a piece you wrote is give me diversity or give me death. the rise of senator bernie sanders, ex congressman beto o'rourke, former vice president

joe biden in a field with -- i'm sorry. in 2020 america and the 2020 presidential election to come i'm shouting give me diversity or give me death. i'm saying time's up on the old mold of leadership that says the only template for safe viable electable stable leadership only comes in the form of two white men. explain. >> joy, it was my patrick henry moment. it was my james baldwin moment. it's basically saying we are at an inclusion inflection point and it's time to demand diversity. let me unpack this. it's bigger than just the vote. if you look at beyoncé's recent deal with reebok and walking away because they didn't have diverse representation and go with adidas. if you look at jordan peele's statement about casting minority leads in his films and not focusing on casting white leads in his films. if you look at the rise of "crazy rich asians" and the

witch for diversity and representation in film, the same with black panther. people are saying, look, in you have is enough, we are in 2020. america is no longer striving to be diverse, it is diverse and we must demand a diverse slate of candidates who represent us and you cannot look in this field in 2020 and say there are not diverse candidates who can step forward into the vp position or the presidential position. so people who say that, look, we have to go to a white flight to safety in order to beat donald trump, that's a fallacy. and america has to live up to a boarder statement and we must demand that through our vote. i did take it to the nth. >> go on, nira. >> i believe we should have a diverse ticket, i absolutely agree that either the presidential or the vice presidential candidates should

represent the full diversity of the party. i think that that is my hope. i will say -- and that would be my demand as a voter, but, you know, i will say that all of these candidates are better than donald trump and we have to also convince voters of how to vote. and at the end of the day we have a president who is putting children in cages and we will have a general election between two parties and i think people have to decide which one is going to be better for people of color because whoever we like is going -- regardless of that, we're going to have a choice to make in 2020 and i can tell you all of these candidates are infinitely better than donald trump. >> go on. >> i agree that they are infinitely better than donald trump but also agree that we have to hold america's feet to the fire. that we have to say that there is a line in the sand that this is no longer a time to say two white men are the only viable

electable safe secure way to move forward and to kind of rescue america from the trump tsunami. we really have to say that we need to include at least one person of diverse background to lead america and to recognize different types of leadership, whether they be women, whether they can lbgtq, we have to look beyond what we think to the white flight to safety as our only mode of leadership. >> let me get jason in. jason, the thing that i've been notices when i talk to voters is you hear the safe choices, give me the white guy and then put the lady on it. it was tweeted out buttigieg and harris and people went in. she's more experienced, why does she go second? a lot of people are doing the add a black lady thing. >> joe biden is doing it. >> joe biden tried it. >> everybody -- they will probably ask you, joy. >> add a black lady.

>> here is a white guy. what kind of america do people think we're living in. barack obama was the outlier. the question is not whether or not we will have somebody white as president. it's going to be a white dude, the question is going to be what kind of white dude is it going to be? voters during out elections they are nervous, desperate and they do not take risks. they pick the person they think can win. i don't think anybody in america right now believes that after getting donald trump and the level of racism that he has brought and the fact that 47% of the population wanted him they are not going to risk it on a woman, a black woman, somebody who is lgbtq. people will say that now baugh at the end of the day it's going to be one of these white dudes. >> the question becomes why is it a risk to go with a minority candidate? that's the deeper level of leadership we have to look at. >> i do think people are fearful of the -- what republicans have done. it's not democrats, it's they're scared of republicans. >> they're running to the safety

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donald trump went after his usual targets this week and one really unexpected one. wait for it, wind. that pesky phenomenon involving the movement of wind. here's what he said about the perils of wind power this week. >> hillary wanted to put up wind, wind. if you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75% in value. and they say the noise causes cancer. you tell me that one. the thing makes so -- and of course it's like a graveyard for birds. >> okay. so wind as a cancer causing bird killer is, of course, a lie, and a pretty ridiculous one, but perhaps what's really itching

i -- irking trump is he lost a decade long battle. trump argued the wind turbines would spoil the view from the green. joining me is long time sports writer rick riley. "commander in cheat" how golf explains trump. what your book is sort of famous for is this idea to say donald trump cheats is to say michael phelps swims. whether you're his pharmacist or tiger woods, if you're playing golf with him, he's going to cheat. let me play samuel jackson. >> you play golf with him. >> i play golf with him. >> we clearly saw him hook a ball into a lake at trump national in jersey and his caddy told him he found it. >> was the caddy soaking wet when he said this? >> no, he was not.

he took off running. next thing, i've got it, mr. trump. did you see a splash? we saw a splash. >> rick, besides cheating at golf, why does donald trump hate wind farms? >> so much of what trump does as president started with problems he had. you know, he owns 14 courses. it's actually not turnberry, it's aberdeen. the government put up 11 huge power windmills for power. i think they power something like 70% of that area, and he hates them because they're ugly so he starts making up crazy stories about windmills. i always say if wind coming right at you causes cancer, don't stand in front of trump when he's talking. >> but, you know, you also talk about the fact that donald trump's enimity with puerto rico has something to do with golf. explain. >> people don't know this, but he went down with his sons and started running a course in puerto rico just outside of san juan and he was supposed to save

it, he was going to play there all the time, make all sorts of american celebrities come and instead it just kept going down and down and down. they said, look, we're going to go broke. thanks for nothing. no, take out a big loan from the puerto ricoann government, we'll make this happen. they took out a $32 million loan. he pulled up stakes and left and left them with this $32 million loan they couldn't pay. the citizens had to essentially pick it up. and is that much different than when he decided to turn his back on puerto rico as president? it's like climate change. you know how he says climate change is a hoax. the chinese invented it. but at his course in ireland he's suing to put up a 2,000 foot, 10 foot high wall to protect his course from rising sea levels. it says it in the petition. climate change is causing rising sea levels. it's ruining our course. so when he needs votes it doesn't exist. when he needs to save his course, oh, yeah, we need help.

>> so he wants to build a wall against climate change? >> he's suing to do that because the water is overlapping the beach and coming on to his course so it's got to be climate change. where were you when we needed you in the paris agreement? >> we'll make mexico pay for the wall. >> it's crazy. >> the thing is i guess the bigger picture of what you're writing about is donald trump's ethics on the golf course and regarding his golf courses end up bleeding into the way he runs the country. >> well, ethics in everything. they're trying to get his taxes. the house wants his taxes. the first thing they should look at is why does he keep a pen of goats on his trump bed minister course. he's got a pen of goats? you know why? so he can get an 80,000 farm tax break. it's never a farm. he never lets them out of the pen. it's another scam. he says one thing but he actually has a much more insidious reason underneath. >> i wonder if that's in his tax

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>> run stacy, run. run, stacy, run. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." several 2020 democratic hopefuls spoke at the national action network this week led by our very own reverend al sharpton. they were there to make their pitch for president of the united states. the person who received the warmest reception is not only not on the democratic primary ballot as of today. she hasn't announced whether she's running for any office in 2020. i am talking about democratic superstar and georgia gubernatorial candidate stacy abrams. author of "lead from the outside." my reading this week. stacy, first of all, good morning. thanks for being here.

>> good morning. thanks for having me. >> you saw that tape. you felt that warmth in the room. there is a sort of level of obsession about you wherein people want one of two things. they either desperately want you to run for president, and i hear this in my circle of friends, people who knowll it and would u to run and there are a bucket of people who would want you to run for senate, i'm talking about chuck schumer. what do you make about that fixation on you running in 2020 and is that something you want to do? >> first of all, i'm grateful for all the support and energy and encouragement. it signals, i think, the kind of race we ran in 2018, a race that really encouraged people to come to the table. it created coalitions of voters that folks hadn't seen, especially in the south, and it was effective. we engaged populations that were typically left out of the body poly particular and we transformed the electorate. i think part of the reaction you see and hear is the enthusiasm

and energy knowing we can bring everyone to the table and win in 2020. my response -- >> no, go on. >> but my responsibility is to make sure that the job i run for next is a job i intend to do for a long time and the reality is a senate job is a six year job at the very beginning, at the very least, and it's not a job i thought about. so i really wanted to be intentional about thinking through what that would mean. running for president had not been on my timetable this quickly. the energy and passion i'm feeling means that i have to give it serious consideration. then there's always the idea of running for governor again. my job is to figure out the best job for me at the right time and making sure i'm the right person. >> i'm going to talk about that spreadsheet. we're going to talk about that in a little bit. the third bucket, this is something that my producer, the younger producers, what they're hearing, is add stacy to the ticket, right? if she was added to a biden ticket or a bu 2 tigieg or any

ticket, it would be an instant winner. here you are talking about that third bucket of want on "the view." >> i think you don't run for second place. i think my responsibility -- >> oh, that is a good answer. >> wow. >> i like that. >> if i'm going to enter a primary, then i'm going to enter a primary and if i don't enter a primary, my job is to make certain that the best democrat becomes the nominee and whoever wins the primary, that we make sure that person gets elected in 2020. >> i was just talking with our previous panel and jason johnson and i talked about the add a black lady notion. people are fearful of taking the risk of having a woman or a person of color be the head of the ticket but others want the diversity. what do you make of that level of nervousness about entrusting a person of color or a woman to the top of the ticket but this desire to have it added?

>> there's a false memory of what happened in 2016. democrats did not lose this election because trump was a better candidate or even that he turned out more people. we lost because of a strategic error that led to us not tunk out the requisite number of people in three states for a total of ves and this notion that the only way to win is to recommit to a narrowing of the electorate is wrong headed. i think the nervousness is app anxiety driven by a false memory. we can win with the best candidate. race and gender aside, the best democratic candidate is the one who will run a race that reaches out to everyone and builds a true coalition of voters that speak up in every state. >> a lot of people think that's you, stacy. >> yes. >> a lot of people say you are that person. are you tempted to say, you know what, let me move my timetable along and go ahead and jump in and run for president? >> i am very seriously thinking about it. i don't believe the timetable is now. i think a credible cap date can

enter as late as september. we've artificially accelerated the timetable, and it's the right of the party to do so, starting debates in june. a lot of folks making decisions in primaries won't start paying attention until later this year. super tuesday primary in march is going to be the determining factor of who makes it into the real race for president. so i do think there is more time, that the urgency is not as strong as it seems right now. >> i think that's a fair point. i think one of the sources of anxiety that a lot of people had is there was probably no more excitement in 2018 than the three races that were run by yourself, andrew gillum in florida and beto o'rourke. while there was wild success for democrats, particularly in congressional races and state races, those three outcomes were not what democrats hoped for. i think it's put a lot of fear in for people. one of the issues at hand is voter suppression.

i'm going to put up this map with the states with significant voting restrictions that have come through with the gutting of the voting rights act. your state of georgia is on that list. we know that in your state there was a secretary of state, the govern governor, who was very active and intentional about people being restricted and intentional. you stood very strongly on that issue. now we know that georgia approved voting machines that a lot of people are not confident in and that brian kemp has signed a bill that will assign machines that don't have a paper backup and people don't think are secure. are we capable of having a free and fair election? >> there's absolutely a reason to be concerned. freedom works, an organization that shares almost no ideological synergy with me are concerned about it. this isn't a partisanship issue,

its a a people issue. unfortunately the current governor of georgia does not seem to care about the integrity of the vote. we will see what happens with the bid process. the process that took place during the legislative cycle was one that did not count and did not pay attention to the deep and real concerns of those who watched this election be stolen in the state of georgia. again, when i use the word stolen i'm not saying i absolutely know i would have won, but we know that thousands of georgians had their voices stolen because they were not able to cast ballots and they cannot be guaranteed that their votes will be counted in 2020 if we don't do this right. >> is the democratic party shortsighted here? there's a focus on saying if we can just get you, stacey abrams, to run for senate, that puts georgia in play, that puts georgia over the top, but you don't hear a lot of discussion of registering a lot of voters to make up for those being restricted from the ballot or really pushing back against voter suppression. is the democratic party being

shortsighted by not focusing on those two things? >> i don't think they're being shortsight shortsighted. i've seen a lot more energy in the wake of our election. i think everybody who showed up this week talked about it. that's part of my responsibility. i've been traveling the country promoting my book. more importantly, i've been traveling the country talking about voter suppression is not indem anything mic and to the s. pelosi said we're going to talk about vote zwrer suppression. and congresswoman terry seoul is taking the lead on that. i am heart jepd by how often now i'm hearing democrats talk about voter suppression with the same zeal and energy that we hear republicans telling the lie of voter fraud. >> you write in your book, georgia is a state if you look at the population and the shifts in the population, it should in

theory be an easier state to win than michigan. >> absolutely. >> why is it so hard for the democrats to win? >> what has happened in the past is that there was no engagement of these populations. there was a presumption that because these are communities that are largely loyal to demovalues, they would act on those values, but the reality is every voter is a persuasion target. we have to convince people not necessarily to change their ideological belief. we have to get them to change their behavior. to their defense, for folks who have suffered without access to resources, who are still fighting to get health care, there's no reason to think voting works if someone is not going to come to you and connect the dots. the responsibility of every effective candidate is to meet people where they are, say, i see the barriers you face and i have a plan for you. and unfortunately for the democratic party for a long

time, we discount the communities of color, we thought they don't vote and if they don't vote it's because they're lazy or apathetic. no, it's because we don't ask. if we ask, they will show up. >> are there any presidential candidates that you've seen that are doing it right? >> i think every one of the ones i've spoken to are doing a good job. again, i want people to remember. this is the very beginning of what will be a very long process, but what i'm encouraged by is that every candidate i speak with, number one, i'm getting them to come to georgia because i need them to know georgia is a swing state. they're also talking about voter suppression. but the flip side is voter engagement. you don't discount a population because they didn't vote this time. you count on them because you know if i do the work, they will show up. >> you say georgia is a swing state. is georgia winnable in 2020? >> absolutely. with a fair election system, georgia is absolutely winnable. and despite the challenges we

faced, we came closer than you should given the challenges that were put in place and the barriers put in place for voting. it was an incredibly narrow race, less than 1.5%. that's with a statewide race with the governor at the top of the ticket. with a presidential candidate at the top of the ticket, we can absolutely carry georgia and with a strong senate candidate we would win no question. >> i know you are obviously a booster of georgia, of your state, but there are a lot of people saying the answer to what brian kemp did, the answer there did, in terms of being the secretary of state and restricting votes, basically being the referee as well as being the candidate, the reaction to that and to some of the things he's done as governor. this feet tall heartbeat bill that was just signed, some people are pretty appalled which is the most restrictive anti-abortion bill in the country, so you have some folks talking boycott and saying hollywood should boycott the state of georgia. we know "the walking dead" and

popular programs and tv series are shot in atlanta, georgia. what do you make of the calls to boycott the state of georgia? >> i think it's a call to action and a call to attention. i do not support a boycott of our state. i think you revictimize women in particular when you take away the jobs that have come to the state, however, i think it's very shortsighted of our business community and our political leadership to realize that these jobs can go elsewhere. georgia grew its film industry on the back of the shutdown of the tax system in georgia and north carolina. those are still available if those governors, now democrats, refund those credits. we've seen governors across the country saying, you can bring your jobs here. georgia has to realize while we are enjoying an extraordinary boom in the film industry, there's nothing that says it has to stay here. we have to be friendly to businesses and to the women who work in businesses. you should not have to worry about controlling your bodily

autonomy because the governor has pushed such an abominable and evil bill that is so restrictive. it's not only bad for humanity if i but bad for business. >> georgia is two states in one. atlanta is a think of it as a bf progressivism and policy and ideas and yet the governor cons. we've seen lots and lots of fights over cultural issues coming to georgia. how does a state like that, a state like georgia, advance and come forward when it's still governed in a way that is so arch conservative? >> here's the thing. georgia hasn't always been arch conservative. in the previous administration and the previous two, yes, we had some cultural issues that we had to fight through. by and large those were sublimated. georgia relied on a bipartisan approach to change. yes, we were small c conservative in some ways but we didn't have the battles that you saw playing out. what's happened now is that

georgia has a governor who does not give primacy to the needs of the entire population. we have a miniature trump who is playing to a base and that base no longer reflects the whole georgia. if you doubt that, look at the fact it was a 50-50 election. you cannot say you have a mandate for this type of behavior when it was such a narrow, narrow election result. >> yeah. >> unfortunately georgia is no longer atlanta and the rest of the state. it's georgia, atlanta, savannah, macon, augusta, cobb county, parts that were conservative have evolved. >> are you still interested in being governor of georgia? >> i am. >> are you interested in a rematch? >> that is one of the items on the table. >> you have a place you can announce that any time you want to. we're going to keep you with us, stacey abrams. everybody else go refresh your coffee, get another cup, get a second cup, come back. more "am joy" after the break. ".

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today we come before you, walking on the road to jobs, the road to peace, the road to justice paved with the blood, the sweat, the tears of labor movement people from around the nation. and today i come to you as a young person, as a young woman, as a young black woman to ask you to use us, use the young people of the united states of

america to pave a road that will last forever. >> long before her historic bid for governor of georgia, stacey abrams spent years for voting rights and equality in the state. that was stacey abrams in 1993 as a college student speaking in the march on washington more than two decades before she found herself battling widespread voter suppression efforts by brian kemp who was then her opponent and the referee in the 2018 governor's race. were you able to see that? >> i could hear it. >> you could hear it. that was you in 1993 spooking at the march on washington. in your book, i want to talk about this book "lead from the outside" which no one can borrow. i've dog eared and marked it up a lot. it's really interesting because it's part autobiography and part kind of how-to, like for women and for people of color and marginalized penal who want to come into leadership. i'm going to read one little piece of it. you write, i have absolute clarity on the role i want

next,s about as you consider what wakes you up, don't discount the importance of having no real answer to the question. indecision, effectively applied, is a great way to figure it out. now, you know, stipulating that anything you say is going to be read by everyone who listens to you as a will she or won't she on running for president, the idea that indecision is okay is actually a theme that's in your book. you talk about some of the times that you, you know, didn't feel so confident, whether it was at the telluride program in high school or applying for the rhodes scholarship or getting into spell mman. it's okay. >> these aren't fungible jobs. being a senator is not the same job as being a president or a governor. you may have the skills to do every single one of those jobs, but these jobs have very different demands and require very different approaches. and so for me, i'm sitting with that indecision instead of jumping forward and saying, yes, i'm going to do this because the job is open or because someone

else's time line says i have to make this choice, because when i take on a job or a responsibility, i intend to do it well, and that means i need to be prepared for all of the pieces that come with that job. once i decide to do something, i am committed and i get it done and i can make quick decisions, but when you have the space to think, you should take it because otherwise you start regretting and you do recriminations in the process and you're undermining your obligation and your effectiveness. >> yeah. you talk in the book about your reaction to the riots that followed the rodney king verdict. this happened all over the country in 1992. you became a student leader on your campus at spellman in the response to that. even phone trees, calling into news stations that in your view were reporting unfairly on the way the police were handling students there, et cetera. so "lead from the outside" is a good title because you do talk about the way you can lead, not necessarily being in the seat of power. one of the ways you could theoretically do that in 2020,

you're in a position to be a king maker, as i'm sure you know. you're in a position to bless somebody with your endorsement, to decide whether you run or not who gets the nod from your supporters. is that something you've thought through doing? >> at this moment i do not see endorsing anyone yet. i think as the race plays out that might become a part of it, but i do think part of my obligation and my opportunity is lifting up the issue of voter suppression because it threatens every single person running and it threatens the voices of every american and it's talking about georgia as a viable state where people need to play. in those cases i do think i can lead from the outside. whether i'm a candidate or not, i have an obligation to make certain a democrat becomes president in 2020 and i intend to meet that responsibility. >> i want to talk about another theme in your book that talks about being able to sort of own your ambition and embrace it which is important for our younger viewers. i want to read this from the book. it says, as adults, you cite a woman named valerie, we tend to

edit our desires until they fit our construction of who we're supposed to become. in such a world, i wouldn't dare dream of running for higher office, for mayor, or governor or president. just talk about how you came to embrace being a very shy person, not being someone who was an extrovert, being an introverted person, the idea of you no longer editing the things you want to be. >> i want to clarify, i am not shy, i just am reserved. >> difference. >> i think it matters. shyness holds you back from thinking about what you want. my reservation tends to be how you have to be in order to do it well. and because i'm not an exthrow verdict, because i'm not gregarious. part of my responsibility was to acknowledge the difference and acknowledge what was i willing to do to get past those barriers for myself. for folks trying to own your ambition, you have to be honest with yourself. what is it? are you afraid of people or you don't want to talk to them? if it's fear, you you have to

deal with the fear. and if you don't like them, then is your dislike stronger than your ambition. i push people to think about who they are, what your imagination is. there has never been a black woman, president, a few mayors, i'm proud of that. i encourage us to think beyond what we've seen that looks like us and reminds us of ourselves. we have to be willing to think beyond that because no one's going to do it for us. >> yes. >> i wasn't encouraged to run for governor. i decided to run for governor. i'm pleased to be on the other side of that where people are encouraging me to run for everything else, but when i stood for governor, that wasn't because someone came to me and said, please do it. it was because i knew that was my opportunity and i pushed for it. >> president obama is the one exception to the 45 white guys rule of presidential -- of occupying the presidency. he had a comment this week about the progressive movement and

about ways that he sees liberals, progressives maybe sometimes hurting their own cause. take a listen. >> one of the things i do worry about sometimes among progressives in the united states, maybe it's true here as well, is a certain kind of rigidity. then we start sometimes creating what's called a circular firing squad where you're shooting at your allies. >> it's stipulate that go democrats have been described as herding cats, they're very difficult to get all on one page. that was in berlin the former president was speaking. what do you make of that analysis of the left? >> i think he's correct, that sometimes our zeal for the ultimate goals that we have, which are legitimate and right and good lead us to believe if everyone doesn't share our exact path and view of those goals, that they are invalid and should

not be allowed to come along. the more you do that, the more you whittle out your friends and allies, the lonelier you are and the longer it takes to get there. i get in trouble because i'm willing to work across the aisle and i'm willing to listen to folks and hear different ideas. i believe we can get to our ultimate goal by working together. yes, you're going to have to call people out. yes, you're going to have to hold people accountable and you'll have to have a filter and metrics for things that are not permissible, but if the rigidity is so strong no one can move, no one will get there. >> one of the ways democrats are arguing is whether or not the priority going forward, not just 25020 but beyond, should be bringing out the base. we know that black women are the back bone of the democratic party. registering and recruiting more non-voting people of color or trying to win over people who have gone over the former ragan democrats, white working class voters. are those two things in as much tension as they seem to be?

>> not at all. i ran a race where i not only increased -- we tripled latino turnout, asian islander turnouts. we increased black turnout by 40% and i got the highest share of white voters in generation. it is not a zero sum game and we have to remember that winning elections is about building the largest coalition as possible. that doesn't mean you have to win one over the other, not necessarily. meet them with you and bring them to where you are. >> stacey abrams, the book is "lead from the outside, how to build your future and make real choing." stacey, thank you so much for some of your time this morning. if you decide to announce for any office at all, you have a place to come and do that. >> joy, you've always been there for me and i appreciate that. >> coming up, my all-star panel will be here to react to this interview and so much more.

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at the very beginning, at the very least, and it's not a job i've thought about so i really wanted to be intentional about thinking through what that would mean. running for president had not been on my timetable this quickly, but the energy and, again, the passion that i'm feeling means that i have to give it serious consideration. >> part of my interview with stacey abrams just a few minutes ago when i asked her the question on everybody's mind, is she running for president in 2020. joining me is mark johnson, and tiffany cross, co-founder of the beat d.c. and back with me, jason johnson. let's talk about this. i asked the obligatory question, mark. she didn't say she was not running. she didn't discount the idea of running for senate, but she did say it's a job you'd have to do for a long time. she wrote, if you're in there for sound bite about 2020. >> are you tempted to say, you know what, let me move my timetable along and just go

ahead and jump in and run for president? >> i am very seriously thinking about it. >> sounds like she's more thinking about president than the senate. >> first of all, great interview and thanks for having me. that's true. from her words it sounds like she is more thinking about president, but what i also took away from that is that she has the luxury of time. >> right. >> she can either be a king maker or queen maker for that matter. i think that's exactly right. there are enough people running now that others who might be thinking about coming into the game off the bench have the luxury of thinking about it. there is -- there's a pro and a con though. if stacey abrams were to run for president, then obviously there are other members of the democratic party that are going to support other candidates so she won't have universal support. she'll be in competition with other democrats, but if she remarns and as her book says

she'll have the support of every democrat to make georgia blue in 2020 and beyond. >> there have been stories of the pressure that chuck schumer and the dscc is putting on her, stacey abrams. they seem to be pushing her to do it, but she made it clear that she doesn't feel anyone can push her to do what she doesn't want to do. >> not even jump in the presidential race early. that's the media's time line that has made this be a four year rice. she's already a king or queen maker. she raised more than any candidate in georgia. she has a huge list of assets. and i think she resonates with voters that a lot don't. i interviewed a loft of the attendees. everybody said i love her. i connect with her. when she talked about her debt.

>> she talked about it in her book, very openly. >> i haven't read the book yet, forgive me. but i'm looking forward to it. when she talks about that and she said i could delay, you know, my debt, i could delay student loans, but i could not delay cancer treatment. 80% of black women are the dominant breads winners. they are like you pointed out the back bone of the democratic party. this is where politics becomes a blood sport. >> yes. >> senator kamala harris was out there. she hit the pavement for her. she and cory booker were out there for her. this is where you have to decide do what you think? or would she rather say, i'd rather be a supporter. >> not only that, she's friends with people considered running for senate in georgia. >> yes.

>> first off, joy, this is interesting. i've seen tons of interviews with stacey on this network and other shows. that is the epitome of unbothered. she looks the most relaxed. >> she is. >> i would say between michelle obama, oprah, maxine waters, this is the fourth most powerful black woman. >> that's real. that's real. >> she has all the time in the world. look, whether sally yates or theresa tomlinson or anybody else, i like the fact that stacy wants to have this much power and influence, she is willing to spread it to support anybody that wants to run. that's the best way to operate. whether it's residential, senate, something else like that. even with the numbers, the polls show to get in all you have to do is be at 1% in three polls. i don't think she will.

i think she is going to lead from the outside and she'll be much more influential traveling around the country. >> barack obama did that in 2004. it was a pretty easy race. he had alan keyes running around him. he had the luxury of blessing everyone else. >> i see. i want to point out, stacey abrams has garnered this kind of national support and enthusiasm despite the paid yeah. you remember when it was all about beto. a lot of decision makers looked like beto. they made him this breaking news banner. stacey abrams, imagine had she had that same amount of coverage. you saw with the beto,

ma'am non, the fact that they could win. florida where andrew gillum was set aside as a potential national figure. >> exactly. >> georgia. these are the two states the democrats spent money trying to win. >> and, again, if georgia can be turned blue, which it almost is, she will be a hero. >> she'll get the credit for it. >> yeah, for all time. and as tiffany was saying, the road to victory, the path to victory leads through the black women electorate. it's high time that we are seriously considering a black worms a black woman being in such a powerful position. they have been the most loyal. they have toiled more than anyone else in this party. this is very important. >> we just learned i believe that andrew gillum has sent out the confirmation that black women were the highest percentage turnout voters in the state of florida in 2018. and -- so i want to go back a

little bit to the conversation we were having earlier which is the add a black woman thing -- >> right. >> what they want want is a white male, pick a b, put one of the bs on there and add a black woman. the idea that stacey abrams and kamala harris would be added seems demeaning. either of these two women has the right to run for president. >> everything about that is demeaning. you have a bunch of mediocre white dudes. stacey abrams got robbed. if you don't have a fair election -- >> and the bank robber got the job. >> because he was also the security guard. so at the end of the day she's always been in position. the thing i worry about, not just what tiffany said. she has a lot of different loyalties. i don't trust tom perez. i don't trust that the democratic party is smart enough

to know what to do with stacey abrams. they will not realize how to use her. stacey abrams is just as effective going into iowa as she is in florida. >> they'll use her in the south. >> they think she's only going to connect with black people. having done that campaign work, she is just as popular in savannah in the low parts of the state as she is in atlanta. >> that depends on the party, jeff. in this age where people can become their own media, essentially, the dnc only has so much influence and control. i hear you. they would be wise to place influence and support. stop making that face mps i don't know if it's solely dependent on that. to point out i don't know if that's exclusive if people don't look like the people at this table. they feel white is right. >> black people, i'm just talking about what black people are saying and when we were in iowa, we went to go do the interview with kamala harris,

what you hear is kamal la as the vp with biden or stacey -- and that's from black people. >> all of us as black folk must remind ourselves that in 2007 nobody thought -- many black people -- >> most. >> most were for hillary clinton. >> barack obama had a shot. >> that's correct. >> and because of, you know, what happens to us and some of the minute tall chaiental chaine don't believe in ourselves. and then when voters validated a black candidate in iowa, flipped overnight. i think it's still that fit. i don't know if we can do it. >> even though barack obama did it. >> it's not that we don't believe in ourselves. we don't trust white folks. there's no reason to. historically speaking, there's no reason to trust that white voters will collectively -- it's the bradley effect. they say they're going to do it and do something else.

>> very quickly. >> in terms of a black woman. i'm hearing from white women who feel some guilt and shame for what happened with the 53% and if that holds and that's true, they're not going to be afraid to vote for a woman or black woman at the top of the ticket. they're not going to go for the add a black woman. >> we'll see. great panel. thank you very much. coming up, the sharpton primary, next.

in america, justice has not been applied equally for all. so let's talk about that, and let's speak truth. >> this family of mass incarceration is much deeper than police, than our courts. it is our count and we absolutely must face it. >> black women are more likely to be breadwinners for their family, are more likely to work more, are more likely to get paid less and are the least likely to be able to afford decent child care. and this is not just an accident of statistics. >> the iowa caucuses are still 302 days away, but there's one crucial primary that's already happened. some call it the sharkton

primary and it's become a k key appeal to blacks. we're joined at the national convention in new york this week to pitch their platforms to the campaign this week. we're here with al sharpton. rev, good to see you. we work the same day so i never get to see you on weekends. >> yes. >> 12 candidates showing up. that's most of them that are declared. when you talked to members of the convention, people who are activists all over the country, progressives, we would say probably progressives, mostly, did anybody resonate particularly? >> i think it would be difficult to say who resonated more than the other. i think that what was interesting, one of the reasons we've done this for the last

several cycles is that they've tried to marginalize the issue of race in this country. and they even started saying, let's get away from identity politics like we identified ourselves as the problem or that of others. so the fact that so many of them came, as they did four years ago and on and on and on, means they can no longer marginalize the issue. what was interesting, joy, about this year is a lot of people wanted to say, well, how did beto o'rourke speak in front of a black-brown civil rights crowd, because we've never seen that of him. the same with mayor pete and the same with some of the other candidates. and i think that a lot were surprised that they dealt head on with the issues and that at the did not duck anything that we were raising to them, including reparations. so i wouldn't say anyone resonated, but i think those

that we were less familiar with speaking directly to our issues and to us did not come in und underwhelming, let's put it that way. >> mayor buttigieg used it to rescind his all lives matter statement from years ago. >> what he said was he didn't understand implications then, so he made it very clear he supported black lives matter. in fact, lisa garza, one of the three sisters that are started that slogan, spoke there later that day. i don't know if she addressed i when you see black unemployment double that to white, even though it's lower, it's still 2-1 white. health care disparatitiedispari education disparities, we want someone who will address those issues as president. not to the exclusion of others, but don't exclude us. and i think we succeeded in

doing that this week. >> i want to play a flashback. this is a flashback to 2007, a certain candidate who showed up at the national convention. let's take a look. >> i am proud to be a candidate for the presidency of the united states of america. i wouldn't be here if it had not been for reverend al sharpton running for president, and carol moseley brown running for president, and jesse jackson running for president, and shirley chisholm running for president. they paved the way. >> boy, does he look young. >> i'm glad you didn't move it over to where i would look younger and heavier. >> since that young man in that video ran for president, one of the challenges has been getting african-american voters to line up in the numbers, in the robust numbers for other candidates the way it was done for him.

now, we know african-american women voted the highest percentages, but that overall hillary clinton didn't perform as well as barack obama did, that individual candidates have had trouble generating the same kind of enthusiasm. what does the democratic party need to do to regain the confidence and the enthusiasm of their real hard-core base, african-american? >> they have to address the issues that hard-core african-americans are concerned about, just like they have to do with farmers, just like they have to do with those that are concerned about other interests. labor, whatever it may be. and i think that with a lot of african-americans, no one travels more than i do, are saying to me they are specific in other areas, but they kind of just generalize us, which is insulting and offensive. you want us to come out in big numbers, but you want to wink at us -- you know how i feel. no, i don't know how you feel. tell me what you're going to do

specifically like you do any other community. and that is not being divisive, that is stopping you from being divisive, and that's the role civil rights groups ought to play. >> absolutely. reverend al sharpton, founder of the national action network who let me be on stage with mary j. blige. >> you presented the award to mary j. blige. >> we roll together. reverend al sharpton will be on "politics nation" today and every day at 5:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. do not miss it. more after the break. the break yes. yes. yes. is this the middle of nowhere? yes. i had a feeling you were going to say that. did that bear just poo in our tent? yes. does the all-new, 7 passenger, buick enclave have everything your family wants in an suv? yes. get up to 16% below msrp on most of these buick models when you finance through gm financial. that's over $9300 on this 2018 buick enclave avenir.

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